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hello and welcome to episode number 46

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of the point of convergence podcast as

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always i am your host exo academian

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ever since the dawn of the modern era of

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flying saucers people have been

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speculating as to where these apparent

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visitors are coming from

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for decades the leading candidate in

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terms of explanations was of course the

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eth the extraterrestrial hypothesis

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which postulated that the beings

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piloting these sophisticated craft were

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from some far-flung star system perhaps

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here not so much to conquer us but

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rather to study us in the spirit of an

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ambitious intergalactic scientific

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expedition

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however as the decades moved along and

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as detailed data was gathered for the

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first time the ubiquitousness of the eth

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began to be questioned

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some of the leading experts in the field

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such as jacques vallet and his one-time

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colleague jay allen heineck early

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proponents of the extraterrestrial

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hypothesis

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later came to conclude that something

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like the interdimensional hypothesis was

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a more likely explanation for what was

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being observed

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this notion postulated that these others

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were slipping into our reality via some

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kind of portal from a parallel reality

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valley suggested these may even be the

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same creatures that humans were

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encountering in distant lore

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while these and other even more

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outlandish hypotheses are banded about

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on social media

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deep pockets of secretive government

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programs and certain corners of obscure

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academia there is another hypothesis

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that many seemingly overlook

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for those who champion this alternate

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hypothesis it is claimed that this

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hypothesis is in many ways simpler and

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exists without violating any known

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notions of physics and is thus a

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stronger candidate than its competitors

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here i speak of the so-called future

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human hypothesis the notion that these

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others or at least some of them

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represent a group of our very own

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descendants who with their more

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sophisticated technological

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understanding have mastered time travel

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allowing them to temporarily relocate to

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our time period

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now for long periods of time the common

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assumption was that these future humans

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were basically nothing more than

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spectators peering in on our existence

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the same way we might take in a period

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piece at our local cinema

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however recent details have emerged that

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call this common assumption into

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question

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in fact new revelations suggest that

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perhaps these future humans are not here

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as mere sight sightseers but rather as

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active agents in some plan to alter the

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historical timeline

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what's even more startling is that these

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notions appear not to be emerging from

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some dubious corner of social media but

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directly from within the u.s and other

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nations intelligence communities

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could this be disinformation

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the long historical record of government

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involvement in this area suggests we

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should always be wary of this

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possibility

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is this a distraction meant to throw

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enthusiasts off the true scent

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or is there something to this

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something to the notion that not just

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one but perhaps multiple different

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factions of future humans some who look

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like us and some who appeared to

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resemble the so-called graves of

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ufology's lore are here as competing

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parties each trying to manipulate the

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trajectory of our civilization's history

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what is the evidence for this and what

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relationship do these purported attempts

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at timeline interference have to do with

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a purported cataclysmic event that lies

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somewhere in our near future

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these are the very matters we'll seek to

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make sense of in this the 46th episode

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as we begin this week's podcast i'd just

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like to point out because there are

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likely people listening to this podcast

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for the first time

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that from my perspective the ufo

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phenomenon which we use as a convenient

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term

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actually is comprised of many different

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factors it involves different actors and

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different agendas

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it is multifaceted the various actors

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and agendas also run the gamut in terms

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of developmental levels in terms of

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levels of consciousness in other words

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also we should not confuse slash

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conflate technological sophistication

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with a high degree of consciousness

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in other words advanced technology does

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not equal advanced morality these are

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distinct lines along a spectrum of

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intelligence different kinds of

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intelligence and one can be high in one

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while being relatively lower in another

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in other words an intelligence can be

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technologically sophisticated compared

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to us but still not necessarily be

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further along in terms of consciousness

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development i.e morality and ethics

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with those distinctions aside what i'd

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like to point out now is that at one

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point we thought of the cosmos as a

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single universe and it may have been

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teeming with life in our conception

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spread across a vast measure of space

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but now physics leans towards a

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multiverse where space as we

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conventionally understand it is no

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longer an issue

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because fine membranes or even slight

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variations in frequency may be all that

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divides us from other realities that

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coexist concurrently with us and because

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of that the picture in terms of what's

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involved with the phenomenon gets much

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more interesting and much more complex

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very very quickly

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now speaking of complexity as it

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pertains to the totality of what we

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colloquially refer to as the ufo

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phenomenon

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we also recognize now that space and

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time are not distinct issues not

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distinct matters but actually an

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integrated fabric space-time

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and we have to be aware that who and

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what is interacting with us may not just

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be others from some far-flung star

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system or even others coming from a

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parallel reality though both of these

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are likely part of the total picture

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but also others coming from our reality

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but from a different time

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all it is to say part of what we may be

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dealing with are humans from the future

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intriguingly as i touched on in the

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introduction

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there is evidence that suggests this may

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indeed be part of what we're seeing

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furthermore reports from deep within the

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intelligence apparatus of the united

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states and elsewhere suggests these

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humans these neo-humans from the future

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are not merely here on a sightseeing

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voyage like we might embark upon when we

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travel to a different continent but

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rather that they are here with a

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specific intention to engage with

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affairs here in such a way as to alter

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the course of time

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effectively changing our timeline

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now if we think about timelines as

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different probabilistic outcomes from

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this point forward what we're talking

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about here are future humans or what we

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might call neo-humans who are trying to

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or increase the likelihood that one

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future timeline takes place over another

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to make matters even more interesting as

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i hinted at in the introduction

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reports from some of these same

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intelligence community sources suggest

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there are multiple parties from the

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future perhaps from different points in

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the future all working to change the

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course of history in one form or another

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and not surprisingly sometimes these

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agendas clash creating what one might

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call a cold timeline war i say cold

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because like the cold war between the

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soviets and the us and its allies where

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no weapons of mass destruction were

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here this war may be occurring right

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under our noses without us being any the

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wiser

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and that's because of course for those

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living in the present it is largely

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undetectable when an event triggers one

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timeline over another

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and as if this weren't already enough to

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keep track of reports from some of these

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same deeply placed intelligence sources

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suggest these warring factions of future

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humans may primarily be here to alter

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as it pertains to a particular

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cataclysmic event that lies apparently

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in our not very distant future

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and when i say not very distant future

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we're actually talking about an event

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less than a decade away i've heard as

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potentially more specifically it has

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been claimed that one or more of these

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groups who are presently aligned with

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who are aware of this common calamity

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are here to help us either prepare or

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prevent this event from happening

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and on the other side of the equation

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there apparently exists a group or

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groups who actually want this

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cataclysmic event to take place as it

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brings about a timeline that ensures

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their existence

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the beings from this group you may be

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interested to learn supposedly fit the

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description of what are commonly

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referred to as the graves

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yes indeed this suggests that at least

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in part at least one group of what we

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call the graves maybe us from the future

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because they supposedly arise from the

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ashes of this apocalypse they are

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genetically impoverished in some ways

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and have evolved differently because of

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the distinctly different conditions on

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the earth at their time

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for instance when the energy of the sun

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has been largely blocked giving rise to

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their pale skin and their large eyes

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meant to suck up whatever diminished

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now on the other hand the group or

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groups working with us to prevent this

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apocalyptic event supposedly look almost

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identical to us so much so that you

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wouldn't think anything if you were to

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pass one on the street tomorrow

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now in terms of understanding the nature

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of the supposed coming cataclysm there

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are different reports surfacing

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and this is supposedly because there is

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some unclarity within the intelligence

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community itself

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the general sense is that the calamity

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will be of one of two types nuclear or

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environmental or perhaps a combination

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of the two

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in terms of the nuclear threat potential

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this would not be difficult to imagine

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because of course

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numerous nations around the world now

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possess nuclear arsenals

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we know there are likely enough nukes

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sitting in silos and elsewhere to

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effectively destroy most of our

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civilization and much of the biosphere

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along with it

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a key piece of this potential puzzle is

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to clear demonstrable historical data

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showing that some of these others aboard

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ufos have repeatedly manipulated the

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function of our nuclear warheads

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in one of the most startling cases in

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1964

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ex-us air force first lieutenant robert

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jacobs alleged a craft resembling a

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flying saucer

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circled a dummy warhead during a flight

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test in california off of big sur

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and this ufo fired four beams of light

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at this nuclear missile and brought it

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down

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in other words it has been well

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established that these others are very

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interested in our nuclear weapons

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now some will claim that those bringing

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attention to these weapons are doing so

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to warn us from keeping them

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sending us a coded message that these

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weapons pose a massive risk to our

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survival

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and of course some people have received

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telepathic messages to this effect as

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well

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it is also possible of course that some

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of these manipulations of our nuclear

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arsenal were meant as a test run in the

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alternate sense

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meaning they were testing to see if they

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could arm and launch them at a moment's

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notice via some advanced remote

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technology they clearly already possess

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the other potential source for this near

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future calamity is more environmental in

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nature

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now some have suggested this may have to

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do with some unpredictable result of the

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global warming we're already seeing

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evidence of

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but truth be told this is somewhat

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difficult to imagine in terms of this

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being a truly civilization ending event

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because it's difficult at present anyway

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to imagine what kind of direct

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implication of climate change would

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result in a cataclysm of the immense

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nature being described

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in the period of about 10 years or less

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a third possibility may of course be

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something environmental in terms of an

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object from space

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that either impacts with the earth

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directly allah the dinosaurs

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or impacts us indirectly

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by for instance flying so close to the

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earth that it causes a massive

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electromagnetic pulse disrupting our

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power grid to the nth degree

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to the point where it would in the worst

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case scenario effectively set our

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civilization back decades and bring

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about a massive economic collapse unlike

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anything ever seen

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so again just to be clear the different

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kinds of cataclysm that might be on the

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table

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include an environmental collapse of

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some sort perhaps as a result of global

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warming or something else

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a nuclear attack or something of that

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nature or some combination of an

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environmental disaster and a nuclear

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attack

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and there's also the possibility that

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this could involve some object from

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space creating an economic and

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environmental catastrophe

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maybe not by direct impact but for

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instance by immersing the earth in so

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much energy that it basically fries like

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a circuit our entire techno-economic

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structure

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now of course one element of the

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historical ufo phenomenon that drives

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enthusiasts crazy is how the government

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has responded to it the massive

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government cover-up that's existed for

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decades going back 75 or 80 years

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now some would suggest that this might

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partially explain some of that secrecy

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if it's true that some of what's

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involved here is neo-humans from the

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future coming back in an attempt to

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change the timeline and if it's possible

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that knowledge of that might increase

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the likelihood that that could happen

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then you might understand the secrecy

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again that's a stretch but at least it's

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a possibility

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of course what does make sense is the

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notion that if this calamity is coming

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if this cataclysm is on the horizon so

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to speak then of course you can

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understand why that would be kept secret

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because to let it out would induce

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mass panic i don't see how there's any

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other way to look at it

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people do not respond well to a pandemic

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clearly now imagine telling the global

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population that something like an

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environmental collapse is going to

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happen or a nuclear disaster or

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something from space is going to

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massively impact the earth in a way that

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we cannot prevent as far as we know or

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even the possibility that it's very

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unlikely that we can prevent it any of

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those scenarios if described to the

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general public would not go down well it

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would cause mass panic and in that sense

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i could understand why they would keep

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this secret that would be a justifiable

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action at that point were this to be

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true

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now that i've described the general

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thrust of this hypothesis and not just

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the hypothesis but the supposed actual

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events this may be tied to i'd now like

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to discuss some of my sources for this

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information

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one of the people i talked to was

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investigative australian journalist ross

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coulthart

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now ross has spoken about this

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hypothesis this eventuality this

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information he's received from his

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sources on other podcasts as well in

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fact on one podcast he was quoted as

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saying quote there is a real mood of

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apocalypse officially there is a fear

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that to make this public is to change a

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timeline

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an effort by a future civilization to

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stop a catastrophe unquote

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now again when i spoke with ross he

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confirmed that he has heard this from

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his sources more than one within u.s

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intelligence now being the seasoned

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trusted investigative journalist that

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ross is he's obviously not going to

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reveal details about his sources i

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didn't ask him for their names nor would

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he give them to me if i were to ask but

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again he made it clear that they are

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embedded within u.s intelligence circles

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he also made clear that he has had a

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long-standing relationship with these

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sources and up until now he's never

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known them to deceive him of course that

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might have happened without him knowing

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but as far as he can tell whatever intel

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he's received from them in the past has

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panned out

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now of course there's always a

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possibility of a coordinated

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disinformation campaign coming from

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higher up which would make these sources

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mere pawns in some larger play that's

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always a possibility but in terms of

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these specific sources ross trusts them

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and he's never known them to deceive him

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he's pushed them for details but they

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stick to this story

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now another source that i spoke to about

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this story was frank milburn

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now as some of you may know frank

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appeared on the show called the

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unidentified celebrity review and first

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disclosed this information there

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talking about again the supposed issue

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with time travelers future humans coming

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back

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multiple factions of humans in fact each

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with a different agenda and trying to

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adjust the timeline to suit their

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purposes now frank milburn has also

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written a couple of excellent position

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papers that i would highly recommend you

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read one of them is titled american

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development of uap technology a fate on

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complete

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again this is an excellent paper it is

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highly pertinent to what we're

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discussing today

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because it discusses tic tac technology

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the perspective of physicist jack

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sarfati revealing and pertinent quotes

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from luella zondo etc i will get into

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the details of why tic tac technology

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may be relevant to this discussion

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shortly but again i highly recommend you

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read both of frank's papers they are

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pertinent to this discussion i'd also

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like to add that frank has said quote my

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sources who claim to be read in say

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greys and future humans who look like us

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are manipulating the various

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contemporary human factions usa russia

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china etc to further their ends unquote

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and to clarify when frank spoke to me

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about this and gave me that quote when

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he refers to graves there he's referring

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to the graves who are these neo-humans

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from the future

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post-apocalypse and of course what he

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said was highly relevant because it

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suggests that this degree of control the

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degree of manipulation is also happening

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at the governmental level across

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numerous nations around the world

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now it's also important to note that

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while numerous governments appear to be

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manipulated in some way by these

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different factions of future humans time

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traveling into our present evidence also

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suggests a highly compartmentalized ufo

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slash time traveler control group

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outside the regular intelligence

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community and outside the military chain

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of command there are apparently people

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plugged in to that chain of command and

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plugged in with the air force and

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aerospace institutes etc who know

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nothing about this so again this

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suggests a highly compartmentalized

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group

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now to be clear just like with ross

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frank has sources embedded within u.s

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and british intelligence who have told

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him these things furthermore like ross

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he has had a long-standing relationship

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with these sources and has no reason to

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believe they are deceiving him or

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misleading him in any way

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even more interestingly the sense is

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that there is a faction within the

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intelligence community that wants this

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information to get out and it's through

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people like ross and frank that this

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intention is being acted upon i also

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think it's important to note that

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apparently frank sources are not the

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same as ross's sources so we have now

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multiple sources within the intelligence

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communities who are confirming these

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details

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that's important because i've heard some

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skeptics of this view suggest perhaps

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one rogue agent within the intelligence

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community is the one who's actually

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putting forward this information and it

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may be a hoax or something just to

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distract but what i'm saying here is

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that there are multiple sources across

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different agencies who are confirming

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these details now again while a

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disinformation campaign is always

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possible this would be a massive

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coordinated disinformation campaign

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which of course leads one to ask the

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question to what end why would this kind

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of coordinated disinformation campaign

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exist

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is it perhaps to distract from some

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other truth possibly potentially but

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either way this is something we should

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pay attention to

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i'd also like to offer a point of

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clarity here because i want to be

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accurate in what i relay in both the

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case of frank and ross i was told that

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the two possibilities are environmental

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or nuclear or some combination of the

568
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,640
two

569
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:32,320
both of them have heard that from their

570
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:33,520
sources

571
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:37,120
a third source i spoke to who is xcia

572
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,480
talked about the possibility of

573
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:40,640
something more atmospheric like an

574
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:43,200
object from space a large asteroid

575
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,039
passing by the possibility of

576
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:47,600
electromagnetic pulse that could cause

577
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:50,400
massive disruption etc

578
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:54,159
he also this xcia source suggested that

579
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:56,960
space force was actually formed either

580
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:59,679
partially or wholly with the intention

581
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:02,400
of dealing with this future calamity

582
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:03,760
that there is knowledge that something

583
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,559
is going to happen in space in close

584
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,480
proximity to the earth and that the

585
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,120
space force has partly been put in place

586
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,400
to deal with that eventuality

587
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,799
now earlier i mentioned that the tic-tac

588
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,799
technology may be relevant to this

589
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:19,919
discussion

590
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,760
i'd like to move to why that may be the

591
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:23,600
case now

592
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,159
now very interestingly in referring to

593
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,280
tic tac technology luis elizondo said

594
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,120
the following quote

595
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:33,760
the bottom line is we came really far in

596
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,200
understanding there were some

597
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:37,440
interesting commonalities whether we're

598
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,799
talking about uap discs or cigar shapes

599
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,039
or triangle shapes we had some

600
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,200
scientists and mathematicians looking at

601
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:47,760
this and i think we are a lot closer now

602
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,080
to understanding the potential physics

603
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,080
behind these things than we ever have

604
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:54,880
been before i cannot go into detail of

605
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,200
what that is and what that looks like

606
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,200
but i think we are a lot closer to that

607
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:02,159
prize than most people think

608
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:03,600
it turns out that a lot of the

609
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,200
observations we've seen from

610
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:07,919
instantaneous acceleration hypersonic

611
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,320
velocities low observability

612
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:12,559
trans-medium travel and of course the

613
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,600
positive lift or anti-gravity for many

614
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:17,520
years we looked at these we tried to

615
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:18,799
figure out each one of these

616
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:20,799
observations from the perspective of

617
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,679
some sort of exotic technology and one

618
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,679
of the findings from atip was that it

619
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:27,919
may very well be that all of these

620
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:30,480
observables are actually a result of the

621
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:33,679
manifestation of a single technology and

622
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,080
if you know how to do x all of these

623
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,559
other things can now occur so that was a

624
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,799
crossing of the river moment for us it

625
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:42,880
was very exciting for us and it turned

626
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:45,840
out that the math worked and same with

627
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,440
some of the scientific models unquote

628
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,679
now that quote of luis elizondo was

629
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,240
included in frank milburn's paper that i

630
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:55,919
referenced earlier

631
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:59,360
frank also talked to jack sarfati

632
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,159
about his perspective on tic tac tech

633
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,480
and what sarfati has to say becomes very

634
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:06,400
relevant to this discussion

635
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:07,919
but first of all let me quote what he

636
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,559
responded to frank when asked about this

637
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,799
technology quote

638
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:14,880
there is no acceleration and no

639
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,080
hypersonic velocity in tic tac tech

640
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,559
tic tac stands still relative to its

641
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:22,799
local gravity field in weightless free

642
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,600
float it's the space around it that is

643
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:28,559
warping so that it appears like instant

644
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:31,440
acceleration and hypersonic velocity to

645
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,480
outside observers like commander fravor

646
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:36,960
using electromagnetic wave signals

647
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:39,760
coming from the warp field it is in john

648
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:42,320
archibald wheeler's terms acceleration

649
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:45,200
without acceleration hypersonic velocity

650
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,720
without hypersonic velocity unquote

651
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:51,200
now in this paper frank milburn also

652
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,559
asked both eric davis and jack sarfati

653
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,640
their perspective on the feasibility of

654
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:58,880
the u.s actually producing something

655
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,679
like tic tac technology how long would

656
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:02,880
that take

657
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,760
according to frank's paper quote dr eric

658
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,159
davis has repeatedly posited the year

659
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:10,960
2050 as the forward-looking point for

660
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:13,120
understanding the advanced physics and

661
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,400
engineering unquote sarfati on the other

662
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,120
hand proposed a much earlier date he

663
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:20,960
suggested this could be done in three to

664
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,720
five years but only if you had massive

665
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:26,640
funding something like a manhattan

666
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:28,960
project level funding and the best

667
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,840
experts in the field working on this and

668
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,600
clearly at this point that does not seem

669
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:35,440
to be happening again this is still a

670
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:37,120
very compartmentalized knowledge

671
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,400
altogether

672
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:40,880
but the point is as sarfati has pointed

673
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,279
out in other interviews on numerous

674
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:45,679
occasions he believes the theoretical

675
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,600
physics have been worked out we

676
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:49,279
understand the physics behind how the

677
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,159
tic tacs work how flying saucers work

678
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,159
it's all within our current

679
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,480
understanding of physics nothing exotic

680
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,279
there from sarfati's point of view the

681
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,000
challenge is in the actual engineering

682
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:03,760
and specifically in the engineering of

683
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:06,640
the meta materials that are able to

684
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:09,760
compound and massively magnify

685
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,159
electromagnetic energy so as to create a

686
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,159
gravitational effect that you can

687
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:16,400
channel to the fuselage of something

688
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:19,279
like a tic tac and then actually warp

689
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:21,360
space-time and as he mentioned in the

690
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,200
previous quote you're not actually

691
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,360
moving through space you exist in a

692
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:27,679
localized bubble of space and that of

693
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,679
course explains why tic tacs can

694
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,640
accelerate suddenly instantaneously they

695
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,559
can drop fifty thousand feet in a

696
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,640
heartbeat and why they can make ninety

697
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:38,880
degree turns without the g forces

698
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:41,760
crushing the craft or the beings inside

699
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,840
it's because they exist in localized

700
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,840
space time and again according to

701
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,240
sarfati the theoretical physics are

702
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,039
completely understood the challenge is

703
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,440
the engineering feats that are necessary

704
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,520
to get the metamaterials to the point

705
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,600
where they can work in the way the

706
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:59,360
physics describes

707
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:01,760
but let us key in on what eric davis

708
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,159
said again he said 2050 was the likely

709
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:09,039
target for when we could produce this

710
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:11,919
now if we are talking about human beings

711
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,640
coming back different factions after

712
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:16,799
some supposed cataclysm that's supposed

713
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:19,440
to happen within the next 10 years then

714
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,279
2050 could very well be the time period

715
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,840
that uses time travel to come back into

716
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,320
our era to try and manipulate the

717
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,720
timeline in other words the implication

718
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:32,880
here is that this could very well be

719
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:35,360
future human tech and not even distant

720
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,320
future tech within a few decades human

721
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,880
beings likely develop this technology

722
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,960
and those could be the very people the

723
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,440
very groups that are coming back to

724
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:47,760
affect timelines because of some

725
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,159
cataclysm that exists in our near future

726
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:54,799
now at this point i would be remiss to

727
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:57,840
discuss this topic to discuss potential

728
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:00,399
future humans time traveling back to our

729
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:03,520
present in vehicles like tic tacs and

730
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,480
discussing jack sarfati without also

731
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,120
mentioning what jack sorfati has claimed

732
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:11,520
regarding his childhood

733
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:15,360
the long and short of it is that in 1953

734
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,039
jack sarfati believes he was visited by

735
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,000
a tic tac which was basically conscious

736
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:24,720
ai a conscious computer

737
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:27,679
and that this intelligence informed him

738
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,440
that he was going to be involved in a

739
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,760
kind of time loop connected to the

740
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:33,679
future which would result in the

741
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:36,399
eventuality that tic tac tech would be

742
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,200
developed now on this podcast before

743
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:41,120
we've discussed channeling we've

744
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:43,679
discussed downloads we've discussed how

745
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:46,720
human beings have repeatedly mentioned

746
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:49,600
receiving downloads basically from other

747
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:51,760
intelligences giving them information

748
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,399
they did not previously have

749
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,240
that's basically exactly what jack

750
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:58,720
sarfati is saying here he's not just

751
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:01,520
saying that a supposed conscious ai tic

752
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,240
tac visited him in 1953

753
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,559
he's also saying that he was somehow

754
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:08,799
changed by this event and that this

755
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:12,240
actually precipitated his interest and

756
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,200
pursuit of theoretical physics so you

757
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:17,600
see it all comes around in a kind of

758
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,559
time loop now interestingly while most

759
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,039
people think of time in a linear sense

760
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,120
and think that it progresses that way

761
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,600
all the time in every case there is

762
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:29,520
actually evidence suggesting that time

763
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:32,399
loops may actually be real this may be a

764
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,880
function of space time the details of

765
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:36,799
that are too much to get into in this

766
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,360
podcast based on the time we have left

767
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,120
but i just wanted to point out that what

768
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,760
sarfati is saying has been supported

769
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:45,600
elsewhere and of course it's very

770
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,600
interesting if it is the case that

771
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:49,520
sarfati was visited by this kind of

772
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:52,159
conscious ai which was humans from the

773
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:55,279
future he was told that to be clear he

774
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,159
was told this technology represented the

775
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:00,880
technology of future humanity and that

776
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,120
he was being recruited in a kind of time

777
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:05,440
loop to create the eventuality where

778
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:08,960
tic-tac-tech was developed complex but

779
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:11,200
highly fascinating and potentially

780
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:14,320
highly relevant to this discussion today

781
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:16,720
now i understand that to many jack

782
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:19,279
sarfati is a controversial figure that's

783
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:21,679
certainly the case but he certainly is a

784
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,720
brilliant mind a world-class physicist

785
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:26,960
and someone who clearly understands the

786
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,120
matters of which he speaks and i would

787
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,960
also remind you that as i mentioned

788
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,200
earlier quoting from frank milburn's

789
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:35,760
paper dr eric davis mentioned that

790
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:38,799
tic-tac technology is capable of being

791
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:42,080
reproduced by us within a few decades

792
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:43,600
and if you remember from the quote from

793
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,480
luis elizondo he clearly implied we are

794
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:48,720
closer to the end goal than many people

795
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,200
realize again while the applied

796
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:53,600
technology is still a ways away the

797
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:56,320
theoretical physics describing how this

798
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,519
would work already exist as sarfati is

799
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,519
saying

800
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,960
so what are your thoughts do you think

801
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,279
this hypothesis holds its weight do you

802
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,360
think the evidence we've discussed today

803
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:09,519
supports the notion that part of what

804
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:12,399
may be going on with the ufo phenomenon

805
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:15,200
involves human beings from the future

806
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:17,039
and not even the distant future but

807
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:20,640
perhaps a future within the 21st century

808
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,480
it's potentially part of the puzzle

809
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,480
anyway from my perspective

810
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,720
i'd have to admit that prior to coming

811
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:28,880
across this evidence and speaking to my

812
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,840
sources i wasn't very sold on this idea

813
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:33,440
it wasn't high on my list of

814
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,799
possibilities to explain any or all of

815
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:38,720
the ufo phenomenon

816
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:41,600
now it is at least on my radar it's one

817
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,360
piece of a very large and complex puzzle

818
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:47,919
which i still believe involves multiple

819
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,559
actors multiple agendas

820
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:52,799
i'll close by quoting from john

821
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,519
alexander who said that quote even if

822
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:58,320
they understood tic tac tic tac would be

823
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,080
one variant of thousands unquote

824
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,320
that is to say again this is a very

825
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,480
complicated picture we do it a

826
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,640
disservice when we try to reduce it to

827
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,559
one thing

828
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:13,120
and on that note we've come to the close

829
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:14,799
of another edition of the point of

830
00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:17,200
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831
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,640
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834
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835
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836
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837
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